Re: painful....but

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: : so are you learning on your own time or you think Dr. VW really is teaching you content related to the class (I'm talking C++, not abstract real world networking) : Before the real world, I'd like to be taught what's important to know about C++. : I think Dr. VW still needs more experience with that. : I have been reading more books for this class to make sense out of things, which is good but... : seriously, I work for the industry already and yes, you're right. Then you're on your own, but taking a class should be less painful, I would like some guidance on what I should know about C++, not the real world. : I have gone into Dr. VW's office to discuss with him my thoughts about C++, but he sounds like some of the people I work with who doesn't know what they're talking about but is full of a lot BS to sound good- : yes, in that manner, he is a good example of a real world situation, but I'm still here to learn from a professor and be able to discuss the issues I'm having which should be different than the real world. : Thanks though for you have tried to clarify things- still I have my worries! : : : : : it's been pretty hellish but i have to say : : : : i've learned about ten times as much in this : : : : class than I did in Mossaad's CS310. : : i know i've learned more in this class than any programming course i've taken at UT. : : most of you guys are getting CS degrees because you're planning on most probably getting a job coding when you graduate, right? : : i don't know how easy you think it's going to be when you're writing actual programs for your first crappy programming job in industry, or even more likely--when you're going through more highly paid people's code and finding bugs and figuring out what the hell they were thinking when they wrote it... : : but i do know there's not going to be a prof OR a TA holding your hand...or anyone else for that matter. you're probably going to get less clear and more frequently changing specs in the real world, and deal with things a lot more frustrating than this class... : : i'm grateful for the experience i'm getting writing sizable, challenging programs, dealing with wacky specs, changing standards, and all. : : you know DVW's not going to fail half the class, so if you just relax and make an effort and consider this all practice for the real world, i predict that you'll: : : (a) pass : : (b) learn : : which is supposed to be what you're interested in, right? : : : The point above is I think that you can learn : : : perfectly fine on your own (maybe it will take : : : longer to do), but then what's the point of : : : going to a class/having a prof & TAs? I mean, I : : : don't know- what do you think? : : the prof's job is to put you in situations where you have to think that you'll come out of having learned something, right? : : okay...i have read what i have just written and it sounds like a really obnoxious, condescending lecture... : : still, i fall asleep every class period in the useless lecture for the EE course i'm taking this summer for my sequence, and i know i'm not going to come out of it with anything i'll ever use again. : : that's the kind of course that i really hate taking...not one like this.

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